Sunday, October 31, 2004

AN APOLOGY

This was supposedly written by a high ranking retired U.S. military officer but it wasn't verified. So I won't put his name BUT I like what was said and agree with the sentiment.
Here it is....


"For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue.
On the one hand, right thinking Americans will harbor the stupidity of
the actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control
and fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.

I humbly offer my opinion here:

I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
(Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).

I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came
after 9/11.

I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.

I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under
savage dictatorships.

I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.

I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their
religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.

I am sorry that Yasir Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and
high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."

I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than
a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial
supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs
blame the USA for all their problems.

I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed
masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal
elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY
TIMES).

I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of
the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk
suffered.

I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide
bombers upon their death.

I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will
receive 72 virgins in "paradise."

I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies,
children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate
targets.

I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape
rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own
making.

I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.

I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control
of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.

I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."

I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World
Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek
Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.

I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole,
the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and
Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!

I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized
village in Africa.

America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those
responsible because that is what we do.

We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on.
That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this
stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.

Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news,
we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few
prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause,
but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now
we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people
killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating
Fallujahans.

If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait!

You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.

Thursday, October 28, 2004

News From IRAQ

NEWS FROM IRAQ

Can you circulate this? This is a letter from Ray Reynolds, a medic in
the Iowa Army National Guard, serving in Iraq:

As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in Iraq, I
wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media.
They have done a very poor job of covering everything that has
happened. I am sorry that I have not been able to visit all of you
during my two week leave back home. And just so you can rest at
night knowing something is happening in Iraq that is noteworthy, I
thought I would pass this on to you. This is the list of things
that has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share it with your
friends and compare it to the version that your paper is
producing.)
* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.
* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons
stored there so education can occur.
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded
from ships faster.
* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in
August.
* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first
time ever in Iraq.
* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did
before the war.
* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to
35% before the war.
* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city
councils are in place.
* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the
country.
* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by
side with US soldiers.
* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques
to prevent the spread of germs.
* An interim constitution has been signed.
* Girls are allowed to attend school.
* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the
first time in 30 years
Don't believe for one second that these people do not want us
there. I have met many, many people from Iraq that want us there,
and in a bad way. They say they will never see the freedoms we
talk about but they hope their children will. We are doing a good
job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me on
these facts. If you are like me and very disgusted with how this
period of rebuilding has been portrayed, email this to a friend
and let them know there are good things happening.
Ray Reynolds, SFC Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion

A Real JOB!

Again this is something I recieved in an email and I find myself compelled to post it. Even if you read this and don't agree PLEASE on November 2 get out and VOTE!!!!!!


There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:





FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost -- an average of 112,500 per year.





Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost -- an average of 18,334 per year.





John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost -- an average of 5,800 per year.





Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.





The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but it took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation. We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.





It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.





It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!! Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high! The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.





Wait, there's more!!!!





JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13





Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This is a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.





Senator Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"





Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.





I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day ... to a veteran's hospital and look at those men -- with their mangled bodies -- in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!





You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee ... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job.





You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a purpose -- and a love of country and a dedication to duty that was more important than ! life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible. I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"





For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he is a Senator!


Issues of Importance?


Gay Marriage:

President Bush - opposed



John Kerry - favors


Partial-Birth Abortion

President Bush - opposed



John Kerry - favors


Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools

President Bush - Favors



John Kerry - Opposed


Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ

President Bush - supports Gibson



John Kerry - participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting possible anti-Semitism even though Kerry had not seen the film - opposes Gibson


Assault on boy Scouts for belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders

President Bush - supports Boy Scouts' stand.



John Kerry - opposes boy Scouts' stand.


Asking for God's blessing on America

President Bush - often asks God to bless America in his speeches - Supports



John Kerry - attacks Bush for mentioning God so often - Opposes


Judges

President Bush - says "We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God."



John Kerry - insists on judges who support the ACLU's radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's federal judge appointments.


Overall Record

President Bush - does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on his publicily stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating from the American Conservative Union if he did.



John Kerry - according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U.S. Senator in 2003 -- more liberal than Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton.




With help from you and many other Christian voters across America, we aim to distribute 25,000,000 of these Voter Guides in churches, e-mails and mailboxes.


If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a Veteran. It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating until November.

Tuesday, October 26, 2004

An AWESOME QUOTE!!!!

I have searched my Bible diligently and cannot find where Jesus ever said,
"depends on the circumstances."
---------- Frank Ernest, October 2004, comment on "situational ethics" --------

Monday, October 25, 2004

KERRY AND WIFE must read

I got this email and thought "WOW no wonder Kerry is so hot for UN support!"

John Kerry's Wife
>
>
>
> As time goes on, we're just getting to know the possible future First
> Lady
> of
> the United States of America, and it is quite interesting. You'll be
> hearing
> even more about Teresa Heinz Kerry, wife of Democratic front-runner. She
> has
> quite a track record, especially when it comes to the causes she donates
> to.
>
> One of her favorite charities is the Tides Foundation.
>
> What is that, you ask?
>
> This foundation sends hundreds of millions of dollars to groups that
> protested
> the invasion of Iraq; that demands open U.S. borders; and provides legal
> defense for suspected terrorists.
>
> Among other groups supported by Kerry's wife:
>
> Ramsey Clark's International Action Center.
>
> This is the same Ramsey Clark that offered to defend Saddam Hussein.
>
> Another group seeks to ease restrictions on immigration from terrorist
> nations.
>
> Another group has links to the terrorist group Hamas.
>
> And on and on.
>
> American jobs are OUTSOURCED by John F. Kerry and his wife Teresa
> Heinz-Kerry!
>
> We need to ask:
>
> Why not manufacture in America and ship finished products overseas?
>
> How many American workers are in these Heinz overseas factories?
>
> HEINZ WATTIE'S AUSTRALASIA - Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
>
> HEINZ SINGAPORE PTE. LTD. - Republic of Singapore
>
> HEINZ WATTIE'S LIMITED - Auckland, New Zealand
>
> HEINZ JAPAN LTD - Tokyo, Japan
>
> HEINZ-UFE LTD. - Guangzhou, People's Republic of China
>
> HEINZ COSCO - Qingdao, People's Republic of China
>
> HEINZ KOREA LTD. - Inchon, South Korea
>
> HEINZ WIN CHANCE LTD. - Bangkok, Thailand
>
> HEINZ INDIA PRIVATE LIMITED - Mumbai, India
>
> PT HEINZ ABC INDONESIA - Jakarta, Indonesia
>
> PT HEINZ SUPRAMA - Surabaya, Indonesia
>
> HEINZ UFC PHILIPPINES - Manila, the Philippines
>
> HEINZ HONG KONG LIMITED - Wanchai, Hong Kong
>
> H. J. HEINZ (Botswana) (Proprietary) LTD. - Gaborone, Botswana
>
> KGALAGADI SOAP INDUSTRIES (Pty) LTD. - Gaborone, Botswana
>
> REFINED OIL PRODUCTS (Pty) LTD. - Gaborone, Botswana
>
> OLIVINE INDUSTRIES (Private) LIMITED - Harare, Zimbabwe
>
> CHEGUTU CANNERS (Pvt) LTD. - Chegutu, Zimbabwe
>
> HEINZ SOUTH AFRICA (PTY) LTD. - Johannesburg, South Africa
>
> HEINZ WELLINGTON'S (PTY) LTD. - Wellington, South Africa
>
> HEINZ EUROPE - Hayes, Middlesex, England
>
> H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED - Hayes Park, Hayes, Middlesex, England
>
> H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED - Rovereto, Italy
>
> H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED - Telford, England
>
> JOHN WEST FOODS LIMITED - Liverpool, England
>
> H. J. HEINZ FROZEN & CHILLED FOODS LIMITED - Hayes, Middlesex, England
>
> H. J. HEINZ COMPANY (IRELAND) LIMITED - Dublin, Ireland
>
> H.J. HEINZ COMPANY OF CANADA LTD - North York, Ontario, Canada
>
> OMSTEAD FOODS LIMITED - Wheatley, Ontario, Canada
>
> ALIMENTOS HEINZ C.A. - Caracas, Venezuela
>
> DISTRIBUIDORA BANQUETE, S.A. - San JosE, Costa Rica
>
> HEINZ ITALIA S.r.l. - Milan, Italy
>
> FATTORIA SCALDASOLE, S.p.a. - Monguzzo, Italy
>
> COPAIS FOOD AND BEVERAGE COMPANY, S.A. - Athens, Greece
>
> HEINZ POLSKA! Sp. ZO.O. - Warsaw, Poland
>
> PUDLISZKI S.A. - Pudliszki, Poland
>
> WODZISLAW, S.A. - Wodzislaw, Poland
>
> ETS. PAULET S.A. - Douarnenez, France
>
> H. J. HEINZ FROZEN S.A.R.L. - Paris, France
>
> HEINZ IBERICA S.A. - Madrid, Spain
>
> IDAL (Industrias de AlimentacE, Lda.) - Lisbon, Portugal
>
> MIEDZYCHOD S.A. - Miedzychod, Poland
>
> HEINZ C.I.S. - Moscow, Russia
>
> HEINZ GEORGIEVSK - Georgievsk, Russia
>
> CAIRO FOOD INDUSTRIES SAE - Cairo, Egypt
>
> HEINZ REMEDIA LIMITED - Tel Aviv, Israel
>
> STAR-KIST FOOD DA'OR LIMITED - Haifa, Israel
>
> H. J. HEINZ GMBH - DE¬ E¬\ldorf, Germany
>
> SONNEN BASSERMANN - Seesen, Germany
>
> KONINKLIJKE DE RUIJTER BV - The Netherlands
>
> HAK BV - The Netherlands
>
> FOODMARK - The Netherlands
>
> HONIG MERKARTIKELEN BV - The Netherlands
>
> DRUKKERIJ DE GROENBOER - The Netherlands
>
> H. J. HEINZ B.V - Elst, The Netherlands
>
> H. J. HEINZ BELGIUM S.A. - Brussels, Belgium
>
> SERV-A-PORTION - Turnhout, Belgium
>
> Arimpex Industrie Alimentari S.R.L. - Rov! ereto, Italy
>
> Comexo S.A. - Chateaurenard, France
>
> HEINZ EUROPE - UK and IRELAND - Factories: Chorley, Fakenham, Grimsby,
> Kendal,
> Kitt Green, Leaminton, Luton, Okehampton, Telford, Westwick
>
>
>
> Think of the conflict of interest a President would have who's wife owns
> business interests in all of these countries.... I don't think John
> Kerry's
> Vietnam service is going to make people look the other way on this
> stuff.
>

. Don't close the blinds.

I agree with this. Its not the popular thing but its the right thing.
I hope you understand.
I did not write this story but I agree with its meaning.




The other day, my nine year old son wanted to know why we were at war. My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband and I were in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our Country again today. I knew that my husband would give him a good explanation.

My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go stand in our front living room window. He said "Son, stand there and tell me what you see?"

"I see trees and cars and our neighbor's houses." he replied.

"OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the United States of America and you are President Bush."

Our son giggled and said "OK."

"Now son, I want you to look out the window and pretend that every house and yard on this block is a different country" my husband said.

"OK Dad, I'm pretending."

"Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and pretend you see Saddam come out of his house with his wife, he has her by the hair and is hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her in the face, he throws her on the ground, then he starts to kick her to death. Their children run out and are afraid to stop him, they are screaming and crying, they are watching this but do nothing because they are kids and they are afraid of their father. You see all of this son.... what do you do?"

"Dad?"

"What do you do son?"

"I'd call the police, Dad."

"OK. Pretend that the police are the United Nations and they take your call, listen to what you know and saw but they refuse to help. What do you do then son?"

"Dad.......... but the police are supposed to help!" My son starts to whine.

"They don't want to son, because they say that it is not their place or your place to get involved and that you should stay out of it," my husband says

"But Dad...he killed her!!" my son exclaims.

"I know he did...but the police tell you to stay out of it. Now I want you to look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor who you're pretending is Saddam turn around and do the same thing to his children."

"Daddy...he kills them?"

"Yes son, he does. What do you do?"

"Well, if the police don't want to help, I will go and ask my next door neighbor to help me stop him." our son says.

"Son, our next door neighbor sees what is happening and refuses to get involved as well. He refuses to open the door and help you stop him," my husband says.

"But Dad, I NEED help!!! I can't stop him by myself!!"

"WHAT DO YOU DO SON?" Our son starts to cry.

"OK, no one wants to help you, the man across the street saw you ask for help and saw that no one would help you stop him. He stands taller and puffs out his chest. Guess what he does next son?"

"What Daddy?"

"He walks across the street to the old ladies house and breaks down her door and drags her out, steals all her stuff and sets her house on fire and then...he kills her. He turns around and sees you standing in he window and laughs at you. WHAT DO YOU DO?"

"Daddy..."

"WHAT DO YOU DO?"

Our son is crying and he looks down and he whispers, "I'd close the blinds, Daddy."

My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes and asks him..."Why?"

"Because Daddy.....the police are supposed to help people who needs them...and they won't help.... You always say that neighbors are supposed to HELP neighbors, but they won't help either...they won't help me stop him...I'm afraid....I can't do it by myself Daddy.....I can't look out my window and just watch him do all these terrible things and...and.....do nothing...so....I'm just going to close the blinds.... so I can't see what he's doing........and I'm going to pretend that it is not happening."

I start to cry.

My husband looks at our nine year old son standing in the window, looking pitiful and ashamed at his answers to my husbands questions and he says..."Son"

"Yes, Daddy."

"Open the blinds because that man.... he's at your front door..."WHAT DO YOU DO?"

My son looks at his father, anger and defiance in his eyes. He balls up his tiny fists and looks his father square in the eyes, without hesitation he says: "I DEFEND MY FAMILY DAD!! I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM HURT MOMMY OR MY SISTER, DAD!!! I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM, DAD, I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM!!!!!"

I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he grabs our son to his chest and hugs him tight, and says... "It's too late to fight him, he's too strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should have stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife, and his children and the old lady across the way. You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before it's too late." my husband whispers.

THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we are at war with Iraq. When good men stand by and let evil happen son, THAT is the greatest EVIL of all. Our President is doing what is right. We, as a free nation, must understand that this war is a war of humanity. WE must remove evil men from power so that we can continue to live in a free world where we are not afraid to look out our window so that my nine year old son won't grow up in a world where he feels that if he just "closes" that blinds the atrocities in the world won't affect him.

"YOU MUST NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT! EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALONE!" BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN! BE PROUD OF OUR TROOPS!! SUPPORT THEM!!! SUPPORT AMERICA!! SO THAT IN THE FUTURE OUR CHILDREN WILL NEVER HAVE TO CLOSE THEIR BLINDS..."

Sunday, October 03, 2004

Come As You Are.

From Hats and Gloves to Anything Goes, Churches Get Casual

By Vicki Brown


(UMCom) - The Rev. William Shillady spends an hour each Sunday outside New York City’s Park Avenue United Methodist Church inviting joggers, tourists and others to morning services, whether they’re in suits or shorts. But he remembers when his congregation wasn’t so welcoming.

"One particular Sunday an older member of the church asked someone who had shorts on to leave," he recalls.

The next Sunday, the congregation heard from the Bible’s book of James 2: "My brothers, believing as you do in our Lord Jesus Christ, who reigns in glory, you must never show snobbery. For instance, two visitors may enter your place of worship, one a well-dressed man with gold rings, the other a poor man in shabby clothes. Suppose you pay special attention to the well-dressed man and say to him, ‘Please take this seat,’ while to the poor man you say, ‘You can stand, or you may sit here on the floor by my footstool,’ do you not see that you are inconsistent and judge by false standards?"

My brothers, believing as you do in our Lord Jesus Christ, who reigns in glory, you must never show snobbery.
"God works things out," says Shillady, who preached a sermon about accepting people.

Congregations increasingly are welcoming casual attire. Some say the trend reflects today’s more casual society, but others are making the change to give their congregations a more welcoming and hospitable feel. While most black congregations still maintain a formal dress code in keeping with the belief that only the best should be presented to God, some ministers are seeing younger members forget the fancy tie and jacket at home.

"It’s a part of our history, tradition and culture," says the Rev. Walter Barton of the formal dress at St. Mark’s United Methodist Church in New York’s Harlem neighborhood. Nonetheless, Barton started a casual summer service in the church’s lower level after a member passed out from the heat in the sanctuary, which has no air conditioning.

"I had printed in the bulletin that casual attire is appropriate. Someone on the worship committee said, ‘But not too casual,’" he says with a laugh. Worshippers turned out in polo shirts and khaki pants but not jeans or shorts.

I think casual dress can be a tool for ministry. I’ve actually heard people say they don’t have any church clothes. I say come as you are.
"I think casual dress can be a tool for ministry," Barton says. "I’ve actually heard people say they don’t have any church clothes. I say come as you are."

Some churches, particularly the so-called megachurches of the non-denominational, white evangelical movement, use informality to make a statement about who they are, says Ian Evison, director of research for the Alban Institute, an organization in Herndon, Va., working in support of congregations.

He says for a congregation to announce "`you can come, from white gloves to cutoffs,’ would be a positive ministry statement."

The Rev. Kennard Murray of Seay-Hubbard United Methodist Church, a predominately black church in Nashville, Tenn., uses casual dress to connect with young people.

"We have always brought out our best when we come to worship," says Murray, who says that tradition is rooted in Scripture. "The first of your fruits," he says.

‘Just As I Am,’ as the song says. If that’s all you have and you are clean, that’s the bottom line.
But he dressed down on Youth Day, giving up his robe since teen-agers wore khaki pants and shirts. "I used casual dress as a tool to connect with them," he says.

In the West, casual dress is so much a part of church that no one really thinks about it, says the Rev. Derf Bergman of First United Methodist Church in Miles City, Mont.

"That’s just not an issue," Bergman says. Weekday attire is so casual, he would hate for the cost of clothes to keep someone from church, he says.

Affordability is a concern even at formal churches.

Shirley Wax-Copeland, a St. Mark’s member who Barton describes as "very fashionable," says she was raised to wear her best to church, but she recalls when her mother made her dresses from flour sacks. She adds that she would hate to think of someone not coming to church because they didn’t have "the right clothes."

"‘Just As I Am,’ as the song says," she notes. "If that’s all you have and you are clean, that’s the bottom line."


Vicki Brown is a freelance writer in Nashville, Tenn.

Amen..Jimmy